“Ether” vs. “Takeover”

As the end of the year approaches, I have decided to take a look back at some of the best music in the past decade. The biggest event in Hip-Hop from 2000 to 2010 is the Jay-Z versus Nas era. I know we here at The Fro’ have talked about this to death, but I am going to offer my insight.

Jay-Z beat Nas in this battle.

I know it is weird to say it, but think about it realistically. Jay was on top of his game when he finally decided to go at Nasty Nasir. Nas had fallen off of the everyones list as one of the illest emcees (And for good reason).

After Nas put out Illmatic he only put out one good album, It Was Written. The other albums he put out were average, at best. Jay had put out Reasonable Doubt (Classic), In My Lifetime Vol. 1 (Underrated) Vol. 2… Hard Knock Life (98’s version of Tha Carter III), Vol. 3… Life And Time Of S. Carter (His only disappointing venture), and Roc La Familia (A group project but Jay shined). While Nas was shooting bricks, Jay was positioning himself for what he would become today.

Not only was Nas not putting out the best quality, he was releasing his music pretty slow. Between 94-00 Nas only released 4 albums. Jay on the other hand released 5 from 96-00. That is one more album with two years less time.

Okay now that we have touched on the history a little bit, lets talk about the battle. I know these two took multiple subliminal shots at each other, but I will ignore those. Really the only thing I will touch are the two biggest songs from that batte, “Ether” and “Takeover”.

Jay-Z released “Takeover on his 2001 album The Blueprint (Classic). Jay made a quick reference to Nas in the Second verse, but didn’t really get at him until the third verse. Jay not only claimed Nas had fallen off (Which at the time most people agreed with) but also questioned his street cred:

Nigga, you ain’t live it you witnessed from your folks’ pad
Scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec, on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album ’bout your tec on your dresser.

Jay assaults Nas with 32 bars over a hard beat.

“Ether” was released by Nas on his 2001 album, Stillmatic (Classic). Nas took an old Tupac sample (“Fuck Jay-Z”) to start off the song. Nas made many witty gay jokes on the behalf of Jay, and claimed that Jay steals Biggies lines (Most would argue that he did to pay homage). He goes on to claim that,

I got this, locked since Nine-One (1991), I am the truest
Name a rapper that I ain’t influenced

He calls Jay out for the “Renegade” track, where Eminem killed Jay (No Nas and Em songs though, just wanted to mention it).

“Ether” is a very disrespectful track, but it is merely that. No real claim against Jay. He calls him wack, old, and gay. Jay actually attacks Nas and his art. The reason everyone loves “Ether”, is simply that Nas was the underdog. Jay killed Nas in the battle of these tow legendary disses with one verse, as opposed to a whole song.

Let the hate begin!

Download: Jay-Z – “Takeover”
Download: Nas – “Ether”

  1. Sounds like we have a Jay-Z stan here.

    Considering you spelled “Ether” wrong in most of the post. You tryna sneak diss? lol j/king

  2. Speaking of Jay, all vinyl heads should pick up the hits collection volume one. 3 records (2 hits, 1 rarities) for less than $25. perfect mix for a party.

  3. A pro Jay-Z article on nappyafro NOT written by me or H20? Yea, I can dig this.

    But on the real, I’ve been saying this shit forever. “Takeover” is just a better song than “Ether”.

  4. You make some good points but Nas wasn’t just making fun at Jay he made some valid points

    “Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh I get it you Biggie and he’s Puffy!”

    “Rocafella died of AIDS that was the end of his chapther, and that’s the guy you chose to name your company after? Put it togehter, I rock hoes you rock fellas”

    “Queensbridge run you niggas ask Russel Simmons..”

    He definitely had some hard hitting rhymes and good points, though a lot of Jay’s disses were more well founded. Idk which one is better but I feel like you’re underselling Ether a little bit.

    1. Props to you for actually listening to the lyrics, most people have been saying that Either is harder but had no real valid claim…… I can not claim Either was hard hitting but lyrically i feel like takeover was just more founded on actuallity.

  5. That’s true Nas is the underdog and I think the shots he took at Jay were pretty unreasonable. I love them both so it’s hard to decide but who would win in a freestyle? and would you rather listen to illmatic or reasonable doubt/blueprint (depending on your favorite jay album)? I still bump illmatic atleast once a week, i cant say that about reasonable doubt or blueprint

  6. Jay-Z stans are insane Jay can do nothin wrong to yall. SMH is this really an argument? I cant believe this Takeover was so trash I mean really. I cant believed yall let this blasphomy be posted to yall site. There is no comparison I mean really WTF. Yall judge rap 2 much of money and commercial appeal u cant just ignore that a nigga got his head bit off

  7. NO real claims against Jay are you serious? Go back and listen to the song again nigga, yall jus ruined my day with this one. And U went in more about what the two were doing with their careers than the actual battle! STAY FOCUSED ON THE BATTLE! Jay is so overated OMG, And people always say Nas fell off after It Was Wriiter leave it to a nigga to when someone actually starts spittin the real and rapping itelligent to say he’s not as good as he use to be. If u wanna hear the Ignorance Jay spits all day thats OK but dont downplay Nas because u simple!

    1. What did NaS say that was so intelligent in Takeover. He adressed Jays looks while Jay focused on Nas and his serious decline. Nas fell from everyones top ten list until 2001 came around.

  8. Nah Nas got him on Ether. The main reason he did was because Ether was dedicated completely to Jay; Jay only reserved on verse for Nas.

    I mean I guess you could say Jay won long term cause people consider him King of New York, but Ether is just a better dis song.

    1. Either was entirely dedicated to Jay, I agree. Yet i would also bring up a point that because you have three verses as opposed to one doesnt mean you win. Jay hit NaS about the music he was making while the majority of what NaS was claiming is that Jay was ugly….. since when does that equate to a lyrical victory.

      1. The corresponding careers had nothing to do with that battle! It doesnt matter what happened after what does that have to do with the battle. Jay didnt sell more because he beat Nas nor did Nas sell less because he lost. They dont go together. Yall Jay-z stans will look 4 anything to save your simple camel faced overated uncle tom

  9. Jay has the better career, this is obvious. But, the little bout between the two has nothing to do with why Nas’ career has declined. It’s because Jay is a business, he lives by the dollar.

    Nas is someone who stays true to himself. He didn’t change with the times like Jay.

    And you say Nas had bad albums. Those albums were bad by Nas’ standards. When he created works like Illmatic and It Was Written, it was hard to follow up with those high expectations.

  10. NaS hasn’t changed with the times? NaS has resorted to picking titles of his albums for the soul purpose of garning a buzz (Hip Hop Is Dead, Nigger). While the music has drasically declined.

    1. Getting buzz?? Those titles fit the album’s concept. The thing I like about Nas is that he always keeps its real. Realest nigga alive lol.

      1. Arkitekt face it NaS isn’t the rapper he once was. When he was younger he told hood stories that would resonate with the listener, and now he sounds like a preachy old man who is out of touch with the world as it is.

        1. I see it differently dub. I see Nas’ music mature as he does. Distant Relatives is classic in my opinion. If it was J instead of Nas, we wouldn’t hear the end of how smart and superb the album is, especially on this website.

        2. Drastically declined? Are you really gonna tell me that God’s Son, Hip Hop is Dead and Distant Relatives aren’t at least 4 star albums?
          Do you listen to music or do you just skim through it?

  11. I wouldn’t say Jay-Z had the better career. He sold more records and has more fans, but he dumbed his music down to it’s full potential. I can’t say that Nas does that. He’s more about the music then the dollars.

    Nas discography> Jay’Z discography

    1. I co-sign with what you said. Jay-Z has dumbed down his music a lot from his older material. In 2010 going on 2011 he wouldn’t even make a song like D’Evils

  12. Wrong I really have to disagree with this. I like Jay-Z too but damn……

    Damn if only 2Pac was still alive. Jay-Z wouldn’t be where he is at right now (not speaking on a business standpoint, dude is a good business man for himself). Pac would have buried Jay-Z like he started to before his demise. It wouldn’t even be no Nas Vs Jay-Z battle right now.

    Anyways back to this article. Jay-Z “Takeover” was dope and I love The Doors sample but Nas “Ether” was much harder and the beat was just harder. I co-sign with Jerm on “Last Real Nigga Alive”. It was personal but a diss in a way too which he explain a lot of stuff that was going on in NY.

    Nas “I Am” Is a good album man! Jay-Z “In My Lifetime Vol. 1” could have been a classic he didn’t fuck up and put “The City Is Mines”, “Sunshine (with that wack video)”, and the most worst song of all “I Know What Girls Like”. He let Puff Daddy fuck him up just like he did Mic Geronimo and so forth.

    Lets look through Nas catalog: It Was Written to me is better than Illmatic.. Yea I said it but it is. The production was better and Nas was flipping words. People really dog the hell out of that album without really listening to it. Album was dope. I Am is dope as hell to me. Ok Nastradamous could have been better! It wasn’t the worst album I ever heard but it could have been so much better. I tried my hardest to like “You Owe Me” with Ginuwine but it was just so garbage. To me Stillmatic is very overrated but I bought it the day it came out due to the hype at the time. Don’t get me wrong the album was good but overrated. God Son album is the shit to me and very underrated. Hip Hop is dead was good as well. Untitled was a dope album and very underrated, I wish it could have sold more. Lost Tapes Vol. 1 is a classic in my eye. I like every song off that album. Nas catalog is pretty straight and better than most.

    Jay-Z Hard Knock Life Vol 2 was a classic in my eye. I like every song on that album. Vol 3 could have been better. That song with Mariah Carey suck so bad on that album (I’m not talking about Heartbreaker from Mariah album). Dynasty I can’t really consider that a Jay-Z album but it was dope as hell almost classic. Blueprint 1 of course is dope but the only song I couldn’t really jam to a lot is Hova Hivito. The song was straight overall I just couldn’t listen to it as much as the other tracks on the album. Blueprint 2 could have been much better, a lot of them songs could have been taken off. He kinda failed on the double album effort. He can’t do it like 2Pac, Biggie, and The Wu-Tang on the double album tip. Not a bad album overall especially as I listen to it as time went on. Black album is dope but overrated to me. Hmm Kingdom Come could have been so much better than what it was and it seem like after this album Jay-Z kinda fell off although American Gangsta in my eye was almost a classic if he would have took off that song “Hello Brooklyn” (Oh my that song and beat is horrible). That song sounded so off from the rest of the album. Now we end up on Blueprint 3 which really is Jay-Z worst album. Before that album came out I thought Vol 1 or Blueprint 2 was the worst but hell naw I was wrong. BP3 was a good average album for a average artist but for a emcee with his type of Calibur it was a let down.

    So overall for me they are kinda neck and neck on quality of albums even though Jay-Z released more albums. One thing about Jay-Z he been grinding for along ass time from appearing on Original Flavor with Ski Beats to SWV 96 All Star Mix, to appearing on Big L first album and also getting outshine on that freestyle they had on Stretch & Armstrong show then not to mention rapping along side with Notorious BIG.

    Honestly to me I think Nas is a best lyricist. Jay is good too and sometimes it is hard for me to choose between the two. Both of them are legends in their own right and stood the test of time in the hip hop game where so many rappers done came, died, and fell off the face of the earth. They both are still relevant in the game.

      1. Sorry if its all over the place. I just got off from a stressful day at work.. Lol man can’t wait for this damn holiday to be over with

        Anyways I’m basically saying overall Nas diss was better and more vicious if you ask me. The track itself was just harder than Jay’s.

        Jay-Z disses were good but Nas had an edge to his.

          1. Rickjamesbitch already dropped a few lines up above. Don’t get me wrong man Jay diss was good but Nas was more aggressive. I’m a aggressive person when it comes to beef and that caught my attention. Like H-20 said he only saved one verse for Nas instead of doing a whole song. Nas whole song was about Jay-Z. To me Jay-Z really do think he is the Notorious BIG. Maybe thats why he do subliminal disses like Big did with Pac.

          2. I think that is because he didnt feel like he had to destroy NaS, and in my opinion he didn’t. Jay was and still is on top, in his mind NaS was challenging him not the other way around….. people forget this point

    1. u think Vol.1 was originally Jay’s worse album b4 the BP3……. I always thought vol.1 was Jay’s best tbh

  13. So B-Easy and DUB have both just claimed Nappyafro as a site that judges artists on career success and commercial appeal over music. Damn y dont we just become BET

    1. Lol *waiting for response*

      I promise you I think Jay-Z is the most overrated rapper of all time seriously. He put out good stuff but he is not no God MC neither is Rakim.

        1. Here again a simple Negro statement Pac’s music meant more to the black community than anything any artist ever made. Pac’s music was poetry and it meant something, and he could really go in when hewanted or needed to. Tell Jay to make a song like “Dear Mama” or Changes” or “Pain” or “Brendas Got A Baby”. Pac would eat Jay in a battle just like he did BIG

          1. Negro statement.

            Okay, Jay-Z makes “Super Ugly”. Y’all dudes are crying and getting their periods because he mentions smashing Nas’ baby mama.

            2Pac did it to Biggie on “Hit Em Up” and dudes call that one fo the greatest diss songs ever. You know all of Pac’s stuff wasn’t hood poetry.

            (*Plays “I Get Around” then plays “Toss It Up” then plays “How Do You Want It?”*)

          2. Those songs from Pac was great. Not to mention he have songs that are real like “Still I Rise”, “Ghetto Gospal”, “U Can Be Touched Original Version”, “My Block”, “Fortune & Fame Original”, “One Day At A Time Original”, “Hellrazor”, “Nothing 2 Lose”, “Do For Love”, “High Speed”, “Tattoo Tears”, “So Many Tears”, “Death Around The Corner”, “It Hurt The Most”, “Pain”, and I can name more joints. Jay-Z don’t ever dig deep like that and he have the power to do so especially with the marketing he has and the followers he have. He can definitely do deep songs sometimes that will reach the people but instead he don’t and just dumb it down.

            I like Jay-Z and you know that but he could be so much more for real. He has the power & ability to do so.

        2. Pac reached people and spoke for the half nots more than Jay-Z ever done in his rap career. He was going to destroy Jay career.. Damn dude had to die.. Smh

          1. P ur not a fan of Jay i got u. Fact remains Takeover was the wittier diss. I dont know why we are comparing Jay to Pac or Soulja Boy or to Barrack Obama because of this fact.

          2. Dub I am a Jay fan but not a super fan like B-Easy, You and H-20 are. I actually bought Reasonable Doubt all the way to Black Album. I have them cds right in my collection including Streets Is Watching and even the DVD of Streets Is Watching but overall I’m a Pac & Nas fan.

            I do think Jay is one of the best rappers of all time though. I can say that much. He is in my top 10.

          3. Honestly Pac isnt even in my top ten list of rappers. He is a poet and had great music, but as far as rapping he doesnt compare to Jay Nas or Big

          4. Pac had some deep material man. In the beginning when he first started rapping he was actually trying to be a lyrical rapper at first. All of them artist you mention were influenced from Pac too. Pac was the only rapper at that time with a style like his and you can’t even compare Pac, Nas, Jay, Big and who ever else. Pac was definitely in his own lane.. Nas sounded like Rakim in the beginning, Jay rapped like Jaz-O but then you can hear his influence from Kane and Biggie, Notorious BIG influenced from Kane of course.

          5. lets do this…… put Pac in a cypher with Joe Budden, Cassidy, and Fab who wins. At the core of rapping Pac isnt the best or even close. If you can compare jay to nas you can compare pac to others as well

          6. What do a cypher had to do with it? Pac is dead so that won’t happen. Andre 3000 is one of the best rappers to me of all time but he don’t battle nor freestyle like that.

            Pac career was definitely on another level compared to them guys. Pac had attitude appeal, the way he spoke, the look he had and everything else made him stand out to the public. The public grabbed on to Pac hard especially before he died when he was really finding his voice in hip hop. Dude was/is one of the most talented and hard working artist period. He may not be the best lyricist out there but he’ll say stuff that will make you put things in perspective.

            When he diss he go all out and not afraid to call out names. Ex: Biggie, Nas, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, De La Soul, So So Def, Funk Master Flex, Puff Daddy, Stretch (Well subliminal after Stretch death) and so forth.

            Dude been dead for over 14 years and still have 60 more unreleased songs. Pac was so close to being a spokesperson for the New Black Panthers here in Atlanta when he was only 21. Also dude have more songs than Joe Budden, Cassidy, and Fab put together.

          7. the cypher is how the art started. the homies try and come up with the most clever shit they can in a cypher. I agree Pac was on another level. He is more like a Saul Williams than a Rakim.

          8. I know what you are saying but Pac been dead since 96 so he can’t get in no cypher now. But Pac has been a in cypher back in the day freestyling in Oakland even during the time when he was working on Strickly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. album its videos of him freestyling with Grand Puba, Richie Rich, and so forth. He wasn’t the best freestyler though he is better at writing I’ll definitely say that. You can’t knock the man talent overall. Dude was a real rock star before his untimely dismissed.

        3. Whoa whoa whoa, pac = most overrated rapper ever?

          wow I won’t even believe that that statement was made in all seriousness cuz I’m scared a pac song will be discovered that addresses that very subject and prolly call u out bout name…

    2. Naw, I don’t judge careers based on commercial success. BUT, if somebody says that Nas won the war, what exactly is “the war” referring too.

      Nas is in my Top 5, but y’all act like that dude didn’t drop some duds (*Starts playing Nas’ “Who Killed It?”*)

      1. Oh yeah B I do agree “Who Killed It” is probably the worst Nas song ever. I hate that song til this day!!! Omgness you brought up some nightmares.. But Jay has some terrible songs too

    3. Ive never claimed that Jay is a better artist because of his commercial success……. someone else brought up who had the most success commercially.

    4. This discussion is all over the place. I’d just like to remind folks that this is the music BUSINESS. Sales mean something. Now I agree that sales can/are misleading at times, but they make records for sales and money. If you drop an album, get a major distribution deal, and nobody buys that shit, it doesn’t mean that the album isn’t good, but it does mean that a LOT of people missed it and the reasons why need to be observed. Just the same, just because you drop a plat album in todays game doesn’t make it classic…but it does mean that you are doing something that people want to hear and the reasons why need to be observed.

      I get so tired of folks dismissing sales when it doesn’t help their cause but then running to say “Bubbleguts MC got 2 platinum albums” when it’s time to call him the GOAT. If sales didn’t matter, they’d all be battle rappers.

      Just want y’all to keep this commercial success thing in perspective. We aren’t BET or other big market places because we don’t PUSH music to platinum status or any other way. We speak opinions on THE MUSIC. That’s real.

  14. All Jay-Z fans are obviously lost u listen to a 40 year old man who music immature music. Not only that but he is simple. And face it Jay-Z stans he was never and will never be a great lyricist. Yes he has a fantastic flow but he music quality and lyircs dont go along with it. I mean compare Jay’s last three albums with Nas’s last three as far as MUSIC QUALITY Jay isnt a argument. Im sorry Nas is trying to help communities and educate instead of constantly spittin ignorance at the age of 40 where u have a position to help so many people.

  15. How can Hard Knock Life Vol. 2 be compared to The Carter III?? I just thought about that. Carter III blows compared to Hard Knock Life.

  16. What I mean’t by Nas winning the war is not their commercial success over the long term. I’m talking about winning the war = winning the beef. Ya’ll we’re talking about winning battles (comparing song to song). Everyone knows Nas won the beef thus winning the war

      1. Yall Jay fans are jus really reachin 4 anything now. Who gives a fuck about that hoe we are talking about rap! U cant compare Ross and 50 to this

        1. Well what no one has done yet is, show me the NaS lines from Either that beat Takeover brah. All i hear is what Nas has done outside the battle.

          1. “I got this, locked since ‘9-1
            I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain’t influenced
            Gave y’all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas
            With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music

            “That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
            Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
            To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle
            This for dolo and it’s manuscript, just sound stupid
            When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
            First, Biggie’s ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
            Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live

            “Y’all niggas deal with emotions like bitches
            What’s sad is I love you ’cause you’re my brother
            You traded your soul for rich

            My child, I’ve watched you grow up to be famous
            And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

            In ’88 you was getting chased through your building
            Calling my crib and I ain’t even give you my numbers
            All I did was gave you a style for you to run with
            Smiling in my face, glad to break bread with the god
            Wearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars
            No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case
            Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase
            You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan
            I still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate class
            You Tae-bo hoe, tryna’ work it out, you tryna’ get brolic?
            Ask me if I’m tryna’ kick knowledge
            Nah, I’m tryna’ kick the shit you need to learn though
            That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow
            Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
            Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he’s Puffy

            “What you think, you getting girls now ’cause of your looks?
            Ne-gro please
            You no mustache having, with whiskers like a rat
            Compared to Beans you wack

            “How much of Biggie’s rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips

          2. “I got this, locked since ’9-1
            I am the truest, name a rapper that I ain’t influenced
            Gave y’all chapters but now I keep my eyes on the Judas
            With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music

            Translation

            I been rapping since 91 and ive influenced alot of people even u

            That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
            Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
            To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle
            This for dolo and it’s manuscript, just sound stupid
            When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
            First, Biggie’s ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
            Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live

            translation

            Ur gay and so is ur crew. Im ready to get at all yall alone. U named ur album after KRS ones. U think ur better than big but ur lips are big

            “Y’all niggas deal with emotions like bitches
            What’s sad is I love you ’cause you’re my brother
            You traded your soul for rich

            Translation

            yall act like girls. i love u but ur fake

            My child, I’ve watched you grow up to be famous
            And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

            Translation

            Good Job!

            In ’88 you was getting chased through your building
            Calling my crib and I ain’t even give you my numbers
            All I did was gave you a style for you to run with
            Smiling in my face, glad to break bread with the god
            Wearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars
            No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case
            Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase
            You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan
            I still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate class
            You Tae-bo hoe, tryna’ work it out, you tryna’ get brolic?
            Ask me if I’m tryna’ kick knowledge
            Nah, I’m tryna’ kick the shit you need to learn though
            That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow
            Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
            Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he’s Puffy

            Translation

            He called jay fake and made fun of Tae-bo for some reason. He basically called Rocafella the new Bad Boy.

            “What you think, you getting girls now ’cause of your looks?
            Ne-gro please
            You no mustache having, with whiskers like a rat
            Compared to Beans you wack

            Translation

            Ur ugly i dont like ur facial hair and Beans is better than u. (Beans really)

            “How much of Biggie’s rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips

            Translation

            You have used lyrics from BIG (because NaS never has done that)

          1. This nigga thinks 50 won the beef. See above conversation ^^

            You know as good as I do 50 wasn’t even close to winning. 50 didn’t even make a song better than “Mafia Music” during the beef

  17. The more I think about this song it is good but he is dissing Mobb Deep on this track too. I can’t really can’t say this is just a Nas diss. Super Ugly was definitely a straight up Nas diss and he did go off on Nas on that song.

  18. I had to post this shit twice.

    This discussion is all over the place. I’d just like to remind folks that this is the music BUSINESS. Sales mean something. Now I agree that sales can/are misleading at times, but they make records for sales and money. If you drop an album, get a major distribution deal, and nobody buys that shit, it doesn’t mean that the album isn’t good, but it does mean that a LOT of people missed it and the reasons why need to be observed. Just the same, just because you drop a plat album in todays game doesn’t make it classic…but it does mean that you are doing something that people want to hear and the reasons why need to be observed.

    I get so tired of folks dismissing sales when it doesn’t help their cause but then running to say “Bubbleguts MC got 2 platinum albums” when it’s time to call him the GOAT. If sales didn’t matter, they’d all be battle rappers.

    Just want y’all to keep this commercial success thing in perspective. We aren’t BET or other big market places because we don’t PUSH music to platinum status or any other way. We speak opinions on THE MUSIC. That’s real.

  19. Agree wholeheartedly with this article. Great job DuB. Agree with B-easy that I’ve been saying this for years. Agree with P or P-Body (get y’all confused sometimes) that career doesn’t necessarily dictate the war tho. One thing I would really like to know, to be revealed, is the days in the Roc studios after Ether dropped. Memph man already admitted it was a dark day when they first heard it. Jay goes on to be a little self-deprecating with “even in defeat there’s a valuable lesson learned so that evens it up for me” or “I got stronger after Ether.” So my question is…if Ether is so underrated, which with the exception of spawning a great hip-hop verb, it is, why was Jay’s attack so sloppy tho? He had those two freestyles that KaySlay threw together, known as Supa Ugly and then he has hot lines n bp2 bu it really plays like a defeat track.

    And that’s just me getting at super ugly as a SONG. Now bringing it just to bars…that joint goes hard man. I will NEVER understand ppl who downplay those bars. Downright vicious, vile unscrupulous shit so much so that Gloria made him apologize. Man if I gave my mom millions she better not tell me how to handle my business, but that’s how scathing that shit was. “I came in ya Bentley back seat, skeeted in ya jeep left condoms on ya baby seat.” WOW. Thats the lyrical equivalent of all the disrepectful shit Fif did with Ross’s baby mom and son. (In ref to the side argument I spotted earlier, Ross won in that he’s making the better music, got the better bars, better sales, better acclaim but 50 was both funny –them cartoons–and extremely disrespectful and that can’t be ignored, he had moms bring Ross’s son to hang out with him and Mayweather! If I was Ross I mighta done that trick like the cover of the Slim Shady LP)

    1. I agree that after Takeover came out Jay seemed either dissintersested or maybe he felt that he couldnt win. Why? because NaS was the peoples champ…. everyone roots for the underdog.

  20. I mean come on if even Jay admits he lost why are Jay-Z fans still trying to say otherwise? Thats like when your in a fight u will know better than anybody else if u got your ass whopped

    1. We don’t have to worry about that because earlier this year Jay-Z spoke about “Ether” vs. “Takeover”:

      “No disrespect to Nas, but if you look back it wasn’t ‘Ether’ the song it was the record,” Jay-Z said. “If you take away the beat, it’s a really dope record but my overall everything was better.”

      And he’s still winning…

      Source: http://goo.gl/jcg96

      1. Thats kinda crabish of Jay to say that 8 years later, after he already himself declared he lost. Jay always does hoe shit like that but thats the man yall look up 2 smh

      2. Jay sound like a sore loser on this one. I still can not consider “Take Over” as a straight up Nas diss when he dissed Mobb Deep too.

        Everybody was shook when they heard Ether. I think Jay has memory lost or something. That was the hottest thing out in 01.

  21. I see I dont have to post the lyrics the other dudes have done
    “(I) Fuck with your soul like ether
    (Will) Teach you the king you know you
    (Not) “God’s son” across the belly
    (Lose) I prove you lost already”

    “First, Biggie’s ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
    Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live”

    “Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
    Yo pop should apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss”

    The things he said, some were just disses, like the hawaiian jokes. But some were true, and you know a funny thing about the truth? It hurts. You say Jay made music faster, he became awfully silent after Ether.

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