Lupe Fiasco’s Thoughts About Online Piracy

A few weeks ago (A day before Thanksgiving to be more exact), the U.S. Government seized 82 domain names of websites they claim were engaged in the sale and distribution of counterfeit goods and illegal copyrighted works. Of these domains, Hip-Hop sites OnSmash, RapGodfathers, & Dajaz1 were among them (The sites are now replaced with this image). Of cource since these seizures, the issue of music piracy and the DMCA has been a big topic in the online Hip-Hop community (See here, here, & here). Seeing that Lupe Fiasco has had his problems with piracy of his music and bloggers and is one of the few Hip-Hop artists to adamantly oppose bloggers who knowingly supply songs they’ve illegally accessed, his opinion supplies the other side of this whole debate. From The Boombox:

“People are trapped in the culture where music needs to be free and you don’t need to pay for it. I was just at Princeton, speaking at Cornel West’s class, and someone asked that. They asked about the relationship between blogs and artists. I told them, at a bare minimum it costs me, literally out of my own pocket, it costs me $3,000 to $4,000 to make a song. It costs me about $700 to $800 to make a freestyle. I’m giving you that.”

“Just imagine if I work with The Neptunes, including studio time and everything that goes into it — flying people around — it gets up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars to make a song like ‘I’m Beamin’ or ‘I Gotcha.’ So to kinda see it on the Internet and, for some instances, for sale, who are you to have the right to tell me that I shouldn’t demand payment or feel a certain way for seeing people put my music out there like that. If I chose to do that, that’s one thing. But I didn’t choose to do that. That music was stolen.”

He has a point. But like he said, we are in a time where people don’t go to the record store on Tuesday to get new music. Unfortunately for artists and the music industry as a whole, those times of are over. I’ve even pointed out before that my nephew is 16, loves music, and has yet to EVER purchase any. But then again, without the Internet, we wouldn’t have new stars like Drake, Wiz Khalifa, Jay Electronica, or J. Cole.

What’s y’all take?

Founder
  1. “we are in a time where people don’t go to the record store on Tuesday to get new music”

    Excuse me niggas? I go to the store every tuesday when an album comes out worth purchasing. Including the recent purchases of Kanye, Lloyd Banks and T.I.

    What about some of YOU niggas here at the ‘Fro that usually just download (or used to from the Forums). And yes its a call out to whoever downloads and wants to answer

    1. Come on DJ LP? Really?

      First off, yes, I actually do buy CD’s (I ALSO bought the new Kanye West & Lloyd Banks).

      Secondly, do YOU really think that going to the store on Tuesday is what most people do nowadays? If so, you need to talk to Fat Beats (Who just closed) and Best Buy (Best Buy has cut back on physical CD’s significantly).

      The point that I was trying to make is this: I used to skip school and go buy CD’s every Tuesday. That was the thing to do when I was in High School. I don’t think it’s that way now. If so, the entire music industry is scared for no reason and the charts saying the sharp decline in CD sales are lying.

      Get real man.

        1. Calling Bullshit? Excuse me? I payed 15.99 at FYE which really pissed me off. I went to Best Buy to look for it and pay the usual 10.89 for first week release but they didn’t have it so I was forced to buy it at FYE

          I’ll take a picture of it when I return back home for the holidays. Its with the rest of my cd collection.

  2. *hit dogging*

    I haven’t paid for an album in 7 years! The last album I purchased was (actually two albums) were Speakerboxx/The Love Below and Chicken and Beer. I will buy J. Cole’s album when it comes out. If it wasn’t for the freebies I have received from blogging…I probably would download more.

    I don’t really feel bad for artists. I have watched MANY episodes of MTV Cribs where these artists have all this stuff that I will never have, rooms in their homes they have never been in, cars they don’t drive, and other wasteful things. GET BACK TO TOURING! That’s how you make your money. Music SHOULD be free! I get tired of artists complaining. Try getting a REAL job!

  3. Well my main reasoning for purchasing cds instead of doing what ^Jerm does is I emphasize on the actual CD quality. There is a difference in the sound when compared to ripping from the actual cd and downloading from a torrent. I know it all depends on the kbps and most people can’t tell the difference but the sound quality is OBVIOUS when your jamming out in the car with some Bose speakers and some Alpine subs (where bass is at its cleanest). And yes there is a difference when comparing a 256 kbps mp3 from the cd to a 256 kbps mp3 from a torrent.

    1. DJ LP you are so right about the quality. It is a significant difference from the CD and mp3. To the regular ear most people think it sound the same but not to me. After going to school for Audio Engineering a few years ago I really paid attention to it and even at the movies I pay attention to the sound more than ever to the point that I hate that I do it. Most CDs sound better when you buy them straight out the store. Most of the hip hop albums aren’t mixed right anyways.

  4. I try my best to buy music I support, I’ve bought 3 of Kanye’s albums, 3 of Eminem’s albums, Common’s Be album, and several others. But a lot of times songs leak before the album comes out because I want the songs on my ipod before the album drops which could be weeks from now.
    And sometimes I just don’t have the money lol

  5. SHit happens! If your music is dope, people will still buy it. Kanye was giving free music out for weeks, and his album sold 400k the first week. So maybe it takes some stepping up on the rap community. I refuse to pay any type of money for a soulja boy or walka flocka album, when I can just get it for free. Like jerm said, get back to touring. I went to wiz khalifa concert and it was dope, and he still made money while doing it right? So stop all the damn complaining rappers…..

  6. To be honest I haven’t heard an album that was worth me buying in a long time. Money is too tight right now well let me rephrase that it has been tight for a good minute.

    Anyways it is only a handful of albums from 05-present I consider buying. I did buy 50 Cent The Massacre album after B-Easy gave me the leak before it came out. Hmmm I bought the first 3 Kanye albums. Only reason why I bought Graduation was because of the competition with him and 50. I bought Common “BE” when it first came out even though I had it bootlegged before it came out. Overall it is only a selection. I haven’t bought a new album since 07 to be exact. Maybe I’m just beginning to get tired of hip hop or something but nothing nowadays stick to my memory bank for too long.

    Albums I did consider buying was Rick Ross – Teflon Don (I’m not a Ross fan by a long shot but album was dope), Lloyd Banks, The Roots, Eminem, Redman (Until I heard it, that album is terrible!! The worst Redman album ever), Raekwon, Rae-Meth-Ghost, Curren$y (Yes I said that because he is dope to me), possibly J. Cole since I really listen to him and he is dope.

    That is just a list of possible buys. I may still buy some of those albums to add to my collection.

    I remember when I was in middle school when Outkast, Notorious BIG, Busta Rhymes, Jay-Z, Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq “Deja Vu” (That song was the shit back then) & so forth videos was being shown on The Box, MTV, and Rap City them cuts made me want to use my little money my mom gave me to catch the bus to the mall or where ever to listen to them CDs and buy them. I bought mad Cds from No Limit to Cash Money to Three 6 to DMX to who ever that was really coming out hard. Nowadays it isn’t nobody out there that is making joints to make me say “Damn I gotta have this CD”. Also remember back then it was some wack CDs being bought as well and I didn’t know it was wack until I open the package and listen to it.

    Kinda remind me of that Turk album in 2001 I had bought the day it came out. I just knew that CD was going to be the bomb. I didn’t even preview it at Sam’s Goody and I was working at a fast food joint at the time. Damn I was mad when took it home to listen to that shit. I also bought that damn wack ass Method Man Tical 0 album and damn why in the hell did I do that back then. I just knew from Tical and Tical 2000 that the Tical 0 album would be decent. But I was wrong.

    I kinda feel like Jerm on this one they really should tour and earn their money just like we earn our money working at these bullshit jobs who can give a fuck less about what happens to us outside of work.

  7. I say evolve.

    if someone wants to be an “artist” to be rich, they’re doing it for the wrong reasons. most forms of art dont make you rich, they only make you happy.

    There was a time when making music could make you rich. that time is over. now it can make you famous, and you can get rich from touring, and music will always be around. even if we have to go back to beating it on pots and pans, music will never die.

    the voices shouting “things arent being done right!” are ghosts.
    This is a new world, with a new model. if you REALLY want to make money from music, then put on an amazing show and make it from touring.

    most of the people bitching about piracy have never starved, never worked a shit job, so I dont feel sorry for them.

    and the artists I really DO like, I gladly go and spend money on their music (I REALLY do, no bullshit), live or otherwise, because I think they deserve it.

    we’re fighting over old conventions. evolve. music is art and the best artist die poor. just be glad you get to do what you claim makes you happy and you still live a life 98% better than the rest of the world.

    I think the death of the record industry it just weeding out the real artists from the fuckboys wanting a quick buck. every 5th emcee should just go learn a trade.

  8. I will not be buying Lupe’s next CD. If he comes to my city I will see his show. I do not feel bad about pirating music because I can’t afford to buy the thousands of dollars worth of music that I listen to. I am a poor student, and I have to spend my money on important shit like food.

    These days I really only buy the actual CD of artists that I am passionate about. The only albums I have actually purchased in the last year are Till The Casket Drops, Deeper Than Rap & Thank Me Later.

  9. I buy albums, sometimes. My usual protocol is:

    1. I keep ANY advance copy of material we get for review, eff a purchase if they gave it to me 9/10.
    2. If I do download something and I like it, I put it on my list to buy and eventually buy it.
    3. I do 99% of my buying from places like Amazon or CD Resale shops. I get that this doesn’t help the artists numbers as they already got the sale from this album, but I guess they GOTTA be getting some money from it right? Otherwise aren’t they bootlegging too? They are selling the material and not paying the artist?

    Anyway, iTunes fucked the game up. As soon as they found out a way to make music digital, the record business was over. When Amazon has a sale like that Black Friday sale, it makes it really easy to cop multiple albums and not go broke. Deals like Rhapsody where you can pay a monthly fee and download as much music as you want are the future for “legit” purchases. I’d be HELLA quick to sign up for a year for 120 bucks and get as much music as I want rather than going to Best Buy and spending that and having 7 or 8 albums in the bag.

    1. and I agree with Verbose. The most recent concert I went to is Eric Roberson (who? check soulections) and those tickets were 30 a piece. Got there and had a great time, so I spent another 60 on the spot and bought all of his CDs. Now, I’d already had 3 of them but they were downloads and I liked them, but just hadn’t made it there on my list. So I supported quite tremendously and I’m all for that. Same thing I did with India Arie (check soulections). Concert was hella cheap, like 10 bucks. Bought 3 of her albums at the venue as well.

      1. yeah, thats real talk.

        I went to see Wayne and Jeezy during the Street Dreamz Tour (actually one of my exes bought us the tickets as my b-day gift, that was $100 bucks right there)
        it was probably the worst show I’ve ever seen, and I still spent another $100 on parking, food and some shwag

        I saw LB once at a little local 200 seater club, had the time of my life, spent 40 for 2 tickets, another 40 on parking and drinks, I bought a hardcopy of Getback (which I already had on my IPod for months) and a Getback tee. Not to mention Reef tha Lost Cauze was a bangin’ opener and I hung with him backstage (dope cat) where he bought me a drink and I bought his CD on my way out.

        My point is, theres money to be made out there.

        Pictures have evolved to the point where you get a camera and a device to print em out and you never have to set foot in a drugstore and wait 24hrs to pay for pics again, but no ones bitching over that evolution.

        I dont think theres a painter alive that would bitch at you for having a digital copy of their art on your phone (even tho you didnt pay for it)

  10. In the simplest form, its still is stealing. That said the main issue is back when people started sharing files all over the net, the record companys weren’t sweating it because they were still making money. Now maybe if they were taking people to court or handing out fines as much as they do auto tickets this wouldn’t be as big as an issue as it is now.

    But that still doesn’t let people off the hook for stealing someone’s ishh. 95% of people wouldn’t dare go into best buy and swipe 4 cds and walk out that joint. People’s conscience nowadays make it seem like its okay to steal because its something digital like its pixi dust. Kinda crazy. If you can’t afford the cd, cut back on the Mcd’s for a day and bam u can afford that cd.

    1. sad fact or not, it IS pixie dust now. and how do we turn it BACK from that?

      once we all have solar powered jetpacks, how long are we gunna have to hear the death rattle from the Airline industry?

      you cant bootleg a sculpture. or a building. or a play. or a basketball player.
      music is an intangible form of art now. and those so-called artists that arent willing to make their money from touring their pixie dust are just modern-day dinosaurs.

    2. It is stealing, but seeing how most rap today glorifies the selling of drugs, and killing people, can they really complain?

  11. I mean, Lupe’s kinda right, but I agree with Jerm and Verbose. Realistically most artist weren’t making any money from the actual music anyways. Their meal tickets always came from touring. I mean Ive seen Lupe live once and he gives a very dope show, so he should be doing well based on that. Artist always talk about how they do it for the “love of the music”, so they should feel kinda proud that people are taking the time out of their lives to leak their tracks. That means people wanna hear more and shows they really have fans………….Sn: DJLP, you’re so right about the difference in quality on a cd and a torrent.

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